1 00:00:12,970 --> 00:00:12,600 [Music] 2 00:00:31,850 --> 00:00:12,980 [Applause] 3 00:00:36,260 --> 00:00:33,920 I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with 4 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:36,270 Maureen Elsberry Ryan Sprague and Shane 5 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:38,100 heard today thanks for hanging out with 6 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:41,489 us today we're talking about astronauts 7 00:00:47,510 --> 00:00:45,180 and UFOs this is always a fun topic of 8 00:00:49,549 --> 00:00:47,520 conversation but we're talking about it 9 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:49,559 today because a recent interview with an 10 00:00:54,979 --> 00:00:51,690 astronaut spawned countless headlines 11 00:00:56,810 --> 00:00:54,989 around the world on Sunday January 5th 12 00:00:58,910 --> 00:00:56,820 The Guardian published an interview with 13 00:01:01,060 --> 00:00:58,920 astronaut Helen Charmin the first 14 00:01:03,979 --> 00:01:01,070 British person to make it to space and 15 00:01:08,390 --> 00:01:03,989 she talks about aliens in this interview 16 00:01:10,430 --> 00:01:08,400 here's what she said quote aliens exist 17 00:01:13,580 --> 00:01:10,440 there's no two ways about it 18 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:13,590 unquote she also stated that quote it's 19 00:01:20,390 --> 00:01:16,740 possible they're here right now in quote 20 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:20,400 that's a big statement especially coming 21 00:01:25,180 --> 00:01:23,159 from someone who has been in space 22 00:01:27,410 --> 00:01:25,190 it's obviously excited a lot of people 23 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:27,420 generating the headlines proclaiming 24 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:30,060 that an astronaut said aliens are real 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:32,880 and they're here on earth the headlines 26 00:01:38,500 --> 00:01:35,210 of course were very sensationalistic 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:38,510 they were overstating just a little bit 28 00:01:43,430 --> 00:01:40,770 here's the rest of what Sharman said 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:43,440 quote there are so many billions of 30 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:45,090 stars out there in the universe that 31 00:01:50,420 --> 00:01:47,520 there must be all sorts of different 32 00:01:53,150 --> 00:01:50,430 forms of life will they be like you and 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:53,160 me made up of carbon and nitrogen maybe 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:53,730 not 35 00:02:00,380 --> 00:01:56,010 it's possible they're here right now and 36 00:02:02,510 --> 00:02:00,390 we simply can't see them in quote so did 37 00:02:05,899 --> 00:02:02,520 she reveal some insider astronaut 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:05,909 knowledge about aliens on earth no she 39 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:08,610 simply surmises that all sorts of 40 00:02:12,649 --> 00:02:10,200 different life must exist in the 41 00:02:14,809 --> 00:02:12,659 universe some life-forms might not be 42 00:02:17,540 --> 00:02:14,819 visible to the human eye and some of 43 00:02:20,149 --> 00:02:17,550 that life could conceivably be on earth 44 00:02:21,649 --> 00:02:20,159 and we wouldn't know it that doesn't 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:21,659 mean that what she said isn't cool I 46 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:23,970 think it's very cool I'm always 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:26,190 fascinated to hear what people who have 48 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:28,170 been in space had to say about 49 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:31,280 intelligent alien life or about UFOs and 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:33,900 there have been several astronauts over 51 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:36,330 the years who have commented on aliens 52 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:39,840 and/or UFOs so let's talk about a few of 53 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:40,650 them 54 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:42,540 the first one we'll talk about today is 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:45,840 Pavel Popovich yeah so this was 56 00:02:51,470 --> 00:02:48,810 cosmonaut Pavel Popovich he was the 57 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:51,480 first Ukrainian cosmonaut and the 8th 58 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:54,780 human in space he was also a survivor 59 00:02:59,690 --> 00:02:56,879 after living under the Nazi occupation 60 00:03:02,449 --> 00:02:59,700 for almost two years as a young child so 61 00:03:05,149 --> 00:03:02,459 that was a pretty interesting attribute 62 00:03:08,449 --> 00:03:05,159 to this story he grew up to be a an 63 00:03:10,339 --> 00:03:08,459 amateur pilot and engineer and he worked 64 00:03:13,339 --> 00:03:10,349 his way up to being a to being 65 00:03:16,580 --> 00:03:13,349 considered as a cosmonaut his flight 66 00:03:20,270 --> 00:03:16,590 into space first one was in 1962 and 67 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:20,280 then his second in 1974 was a pretty 68 00:03:25,729 --> 00:03:22,140 interesting mission actually he was part 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:25,739 of a Soviet program of military people 70 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:29,450 and military use in space exploration 71 00:03:35,180 --> 00:03:33,450 technology so Popovich and his engineer 72 00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:35,190 at the time they conducted military 73 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:38,400 intelligence operations using infrared 74 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:40,920 and optical equipment and one of their 75 00:03:47,539 --> 00:03:44,310 tasks was to to capture the American 76 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:47,549 Skylab station with the three astronauts 77 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:49,500 on board at the time and you know got to 78 00:03:53,539 --> 00:03:51,329 see what they were up to yeah and this 79 00:03:55,220 --> 00:03:53,549 was you know obviously still bitterness 80 00:03:57,890 --> 00:03:55,230 from the Americans winning the Cold War 81 00:04:00,199 --> 00:03:57,900 and when they found out that Popovich 82 00:04:01,849 --> 00:04:00,209 had done this the Americans actually 83 00:04:04,729 --> 00:04:01,859 came up with a nickname for him which 84 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:04,739 was the quote aggressor which is pretty 85 00:04:11,210 --> 00:04:06,329 interesting he definitely got a 86 00:04:13,430 --> 00:04:11,220 reputation soon I think yeah 1978 he was 87 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:13,440 travelling from Washington to Moscow 88 00:04:18,349 --> 00:04:16,410 from a conference and along with the 89 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:18,359 other passengers and pilots they had a 90 00:04:23,210 --> 00:04:20,989 pretty dramatic UFO sighting of a 91 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:23,220 triangular-shaped object trailing the 92 00:04:28,189 --> 00:04:25,800 airplane and then bypassing the airplane 93 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:28,199 at like unbelievable speeds and then it 94 00:04:31,969 --> 00:04:29,580 disappeared yeah 95 00:04:33,379 --> 00:04:31,979 nothing was tracked on radar nothing was 96 00:04:35,180 --> 00:04:33,389 seen on the ground but everyone on the 97 00:04:37,460 --> 00:04:35,190 plane agreed that they had seen it so 98 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:37,470 from here Popovich started looking into 99 00:04:42,890 --> 00:04:40,680 the UFO cases in Russia and like many he 100 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:42,900 became obsessed with the topic and 101 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:47,010 became a UFO researcher and in the early 102 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:50,010 to mid 80s he served as a deputy in the 103 00:04:55,010 --> 00:04:52,289 Commission for anomalous phenomena 104 00:04:58,100 --> 00:04:55,020 the environment which was a academic UFO 105 00:05:01,760 --> 00:04:58,110 research program created by the USSR 106 00:05:03,739 --> 00:05:01,770 Academy of Sciences and then in the 90s 107 00:05:06,529 --> 00:05:03,749 he presided over the first official 108 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:06,539 public Soviet Union UFO research 109 00:05:11,179 --> 00:05:09,330 organization he advocated for the 110 00:05:14,089 --> 00:05:11,189 release of government documents related 111 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:14,099 to UFOs and he asserted that much of the 112 00:05:18,649 --> 00:05:16,770 UFO related information he received was 113 00:05:24,769 --> 00:05:18,659 from military and government sources 114 00:05:28,749 --> 00:05:26,719 through his research he concluded that 115 00:05:31,719 --> 00:05:28,759 most of what is written about UFOs is 116 00:05:33,980 --> 00:05:31,729 nonsense I like this guy already and 117 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:33,990 although he didn't believe claims of 118 00:05:39,799 --> 00:05:37,409 alien abductions or et contact he held 119 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:39,809 the belief that et's visit earth and 120 00:05:46,909 --> 00:05:43,050 operate multiple bases on the planet so 121 00:05:48,559 --> 00:05:46,919 pretty interesting stance it wasn't just 122 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:48,569 Popovich though who was interested in 123 00:05:54,559 --> 00:05:52,110 UFOs his wife marina Popovich was a 124 00:05:57,409 --> 00:05:54,569 retired Soviet Air Force colonel and one 125 00:05:59,869 --> 00:05:57,419 of the most famous pilots in Russia so 126 00:06:02,119 --> 00:05:59,879 she too was also a UFO researcher she 127 00:06:04,429 --> 00:06:02,129 caught the bug too and you gotta get 128 00:06:06,230 --> 00:06:04,439 this you know this Russian power couple 129 00:06:09,139 --> 00:06:06,240 some credit they both became UFO 130 00:06:11,449 --> 00:06:09,149 researchers in Russia and I thought 131 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:11,459 that's pretty badass she wrote a book it 132 00:06:15,489 --> 00:06:13,860 was called the UFO class dust and she 133 00:06:19,339 --> 00:06:15,499 asserted that the Soviet military 134 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:19,349 confirmed over 3,000 UFO sightings and 135 00:06:25,189 --> 00:06:21,839 the government possessed a wreckage from 136 00:06:28,249 --> 00:06:25,199 the five UFO crashes so they pretty much 137 00:06:30,889 --> 00:06:28,259 had long careers in the military space 138 00:06:33,949 --> 00:06:30,899 programs and then in the UFO research 139 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:33,959 community talk about a powerhouse couple 140 00:06:42,409 --> 00:06:40,110 there yeah he spent his final years in 141 00:06:45,949 --> 00:06:42,419 Moscow in a settlement dubbed Star 142 00:06:49,009 --> 00:06:45,959 village which housed over 36 former 143 00:06:51,829 --> 00:06:49,019 cosmonauts retired cosmonauts and after 144 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:51,839 his death a mountain range in Antarctica 145 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:54,089 was actually named after him and so was 146 00:06:58,639 --> 00:06:56,849 a minor planet I wasn't able to figure 147 00:07:00,800 --> 00:06:58,649 out which one that was I'll have to do 148 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:00,810 some more research on that but a pretty 149 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:02,699 fulfilling life for both he and his wife 150 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:04,319 I would say it's it's it's also 151 00:07:08,379 --> 00:07:05,360 refreshing to hear 152 00:07:10,869 --> 00:07:08,389 UFO researchers in other countries for 153 00:07:13,089 --> 00:07:10,879 one so this is definitely one that I'm 154 00:07:15,339 --> 00:07:13,099 gonna look more into for sure well the 155 00:07:17,379 --> 00:07:15,349 cosmonauts stories are also super 156 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:17,389 exciting there's so much about about 157 00:07:23,230 --> 00:07:20,870 cosmonauts and UFOs and just Russia in 158 00:07:24,670 --> 00:07:23,240 general Russia UFOs and you know for 159 00:07:26,050 --> 00:07:24,680 anybody interested in that I highly 160 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:26,060 recommend looking at the work of Paul 161 00:07:30,670 --> 00:07:28,610 Stonehill Paul Stonehill does incredible 162 00:07:35,140 --> 00:07:30,680 research and and has written extensively 163 00:07:37,809 --> 00:07:35,150 on Russian UFOs so look into Paul stone 164 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:37,819 Hills work absolutely well it's hard to 165 00:07:42,999 --> 00:07:40,190 find a conversation about astronauts and 166 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:43,009 UFOs and not see Edgar Mitchell 167 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:45,800 mentioned indeed one of the most famous 168 00:07:51,369 --> 00:07:48,650 Apollo astronauts in the UFO circles is 169 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:51,379 Edgar Mitchell he was also the sixth man 170 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:53,900 to walk on the moon and was a firm 171 00:07:57,899 --> 00:07:56,210 believer in UFOs intelligent 172 00:08:00,399 --> 00:07:57,909 extraterrestrial life and 173 00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:00,409 extraterrestrial visitation the big 174 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:03,710 three so to speak the NASA astronaut and 175 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:05,330 former Navy test pilot was an 176 00:08:10,420 --> 00:08:07,279 intelligent and very highly regarded 177 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:10,430 scientist with a doctorate for MIT so 178 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:12,710 for most of us it's pretty surprising 179 00:08:17,469 --> 00:08:15,529 that he publicly and confidently spoke 180 00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:17,479 about his extraterrestrial beliefs and 181 00:08:23,019 --> 00:08:20,240 so often yeah there's so many interviews 182 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:23,029 with him within the community where he's 183 00:08:29,019 --> 00:08:26,210 very adamant that this occurs one 184 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:29,029 notable one is in 1996 mitchell revealed 185 00:08:33,670 --> 00:08:31,460 on Dateline NBC quote I have no 186 00:08:35,409 --> 00:08:33,680 first-hand experience but I have had the 187 00:08:37,779 --> 00:08:35,419 opportunity to meet with people from 188 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:37,789 three countries who in the course of 189 00:08:41,339 --> 00:08:39,769 Thera fishel duties claimed to have had 190 00:08:43,329 --> 00:08:41,349 personal first-hand encounter 191 00:08:46,420 --> 00:08:43,339 experiences end quote 192 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:46,430 now during the same interview mitchell 193 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:49,040 opined that UFO activity and UFO 194 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:52,130 incidents like roswell big notable 195 00:08:57,970 --> 00:08:54,470 incidents are covered up by governments 196 00:09:00,550 --> 00:08:57,980 and this is a big reveal for somebody 197 00:09:03,939 --> 00:09:00,560 who is in a government sponsored program 198 00:09:06,430 --> 00:09:03,949 like nasa so also in an interview with 199 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:06,440 filmmaker james fox mitchell shared his 200 00:09:09,939 --> 00:09:07,730 belief that humans have 201 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:09,949 reverse-engineered extraterrestrial 202 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:12,170 technology this is a very hot topic 203 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:14,810 right now and it has been for a while 204 00:09:17,410 --> 00:09:16,970 he believes that humans using this 205 00:09:20,020 --> 00:09:17,420 techno 206 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:20,030 oh gee our possibly behind some UFO 207 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:23,210 related events like alien abduction so 208 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:26,360 that's a big can of worms if you have 209 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:32,020 the government abducting humans posed as 210 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:34,970 extraterrestrial species there is a big 211 00:09:41,290 --> 00:09:38,860 problem there yeah in 2015 212 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:41,300 Mitchell told our buddy Lee Spiegel at 213 00:09:46,450 --> 00:09:44,060 The Huffington Post quote I have told 214 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:46,460 several sources about my connections 215 00:09:50,650 --> 00:09:48,560 over the years with military officers 216 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:50,660 manning missile silos during the Cold 217 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:53,660 War with the Soviet Union who told me 218 00:09:58,450 --> 00:09:56,210 personally of UFOs hovering over their 219 00:10:00,010 --> 00:09:58,460 missile sites and disabling the missiles 220 00:10:02,110 --> 00:10:00,020 targeting in the Soviet Union 221 00:10:04,450 --> 00:10:02,120 end quote the Mitchell spoke on 222 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:04,460 countless occasions about his UFO and 223 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:06,530 extraterrestrial beliefs but as Nick 224 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:09,140 Pope explains to the mirror quote so far 225 00:10:13,570 --> 00:10:11,420 as I'm aware most of his information on 226 00:10:15,730 --> 00:10:13,580 the issue comes not from things he's 227 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:15,740 experienced himself but from things he's 228 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:17,510 been told by others end quote 229 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:20,510 he continued quote clearly because of 230 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:22,730 who he is he's had access to government 231 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:24,890 military and intelligence community 232 00:10:30,580 --> 00:10:27,680 personnel at the highest level but 233 00:10:32,740 --> 00:10:30,590 because quite understandably he won't 234 00:10:34,270 --> 00:10:32,750 name his sources we can't be certain 235 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:34,280 these people were being straight with 236 00:10:39,550 --> 00:10:36,740 him or indeed that they were privy to 237 00:10:42,310 --> 00:10:39,560 any classified information about UFOs in 238 00:10:45,610 --> 00:10:42,320 quote Mitchell was a very curious person 239 00:10:47,470 --> 00:10:45,620 and he was confident in the UFO 240 00:10:49,630 --> 00:10:47,480 extraterrestrial information provided to 241 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:49,640 him by people in the military and 242 00:10:54,340 --> 00:10:50,810 intelligence community 243 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:54,350 he told Spiegel quote I can't say where 244 00:10:59,230 --> 00:10:57,500 the aliens are from but evidence of 245 00:11:01,810 --> 00:10:59,240 their presence here is pretty 246 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:01,820 overwhelming if you care to look for it 247 00:11:10,990 --> 00:11:05,330 in quote so Mitchell just passed away a 248 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:11,000 couple years ago in 2016 I believe and 249 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:13,550 this is a personally a huge bummer for 250 00:11:20,210 --> 00:11:16,910 me because I in 2013 was supposed to fly 251 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:20,220 to his home in Florida and interview him 252 00:11:24,710 --> 00:11:21,900 and the interview got canceled by the 253 00:11:28,190 --> 00:11:24,720 production company the day before I was 254 00:11:31,780 --> 00:11:28,200 supposed to leave and obviously that's 255 00:11:33,650 --> 00:11:31,790 that's one of I I know jason has as well 256 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:33,660 personally taught sitting down and 257 00:11:38,450 --> 00:11:36,690 talking with astronauts who believe in 258 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:38,460 the subject and or have personal 259 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:41,910 experience is a big honor because it's 260 00:11:46,580 --> 00:11:43,530 very interesting to hear that sort of 261 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:46,590 perspective so very bummed I miss my 262 00:11:51,350 --> 00:11:48,870 chance to talk with Edgar Mitchell yeah 263 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:51,360 he's been still involved in controversy 264 00:11:58,100 --> 00:11:53,180 over the years linked with Buzz Aldrin 265 00:12:00,950 --> 00:11:58,110 and lie-detector tests alleged 266 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:00,960 lie-detector tests and a whole ball of 267 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:04,560 worms that that may or may not tie in 268 00:12:09,580 --> 00:12:06,900 with UFO sightings and astronauts did he 269 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:09,590 punch a journalist in the face too 270 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:14,250 wouldn't that be the way to go nah dead 271 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:15,150 style 272 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:18,290 no no that's bus all the way 273 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:22,800 yeah that's buzz told buzz so I was 274 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:25,890 always fascinated hearing Edgar Mitchell 275 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:27,810 talk about UFOs and intelligent 276 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:30,510 extraterrestrial life but for me 277 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:32,490 personally I always viewed his comments 278 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:35,370 the same way I do with those of former 279 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:36,810 Canadian Minister of Defense Paul 280 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:39,350 Hellyer like Nick Pope pointed out and 281 00:12:45,380 --> 00:12:42,330 as Mitchell explained himself his views 282 00:12:47,420 --> 00:12:45,390 were based on unverifiable sources he 283 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:47,430 was told by others not things he saw or 284 00:12:52,190 --> 00:12:49,260 experienced himself now that doesn't 285 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:52,200 mean it's not genuine or doesn't deserve 286 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:55,050 to be considered but it's important to 287 00:13:00,050 --> 00:12:57,810 keep that in mind and understand that no 288 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:00,060 matter how exciting the claims sound and 289 00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:03,270 no matter who is restating those claims 290 00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:06,020 it's still just second or third-hand 291 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:09,120 anecdotal information and the value or 292 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:11,040 weight of that type of supporting 293 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:12,930 evidence really varies from person to 294 00:13:16,370 --> 00:13:15,000 person it's up to every individual to 295 00:13:18,140 --> 00:13:16,380 decide for themselves how much weight 296 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:18,150 they want to give that information and 297 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:20,700 how much if at all they want that 298 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:22,290 information to affect their personal 299 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:24,630 beliefs I think it's interesting that 300 00:13:29,140 --> 00:13:27,240 like a lot of these things with these 301 00:13:31,930 --> 00:13:29,150 people that have been in power or 302 00:13:35,950 --> 00:13:31,940 have reputations that it is just hearsay 303 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:35,960 things they've heard which is tough for 304 00:13:40,510 --> 00:13:38,060 us in the UFO field because we want like 305 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:40,520 first-hand testimony but it's so hard to 306 00:13:44,710 --> 00:13:42,470 get especially when a lot of these 307 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:44,720 things have happened so long ago and all 308 00:13:48,850 --> 00:13:46,760 the people involved directly involved 309 00:13:50,350 --> 00:13:48,860 are gone at this point so that was 310 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:50,360 always my struggle with this stuff Paul 311 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:52,460 Hellyer would say like yeah the guy's an 312 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:55,040 amazing and his reputation is you know 313 00:13:59,710 --> 00:13:57,710 superb but then these things he's 314 00:14:02,620 --> 00:13:59,720 bringing forward we have no idea how to 315 00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:02,630 verify any of it so yeah it's it's 316 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:05,390 always a struggle it is it's that curse 317 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:08,510 you know that we celebrate when somebody 318 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:11,210 of the this high caliber high caliber 319 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:13,279 'he's come forward with it we're talking 320 00:14:18,460 --> 00:14:15,370 about this topic in public we're all yay 321 00:14:19,810 --> 00:14:18,470 champion it go run with it but then when 322 00:14:21,310 --> 00:14:19,820 we step back and look at what's actually 323 00:14:24,070 --> 00:14:21,320 being said and where that information is 324 00:14:25,650 --> 00:14:24,080 coming from you know well I don't know 325 00:14:28,510 --> 00:14:25,660 if this is a good thing or a bad thing 326 00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:28,520 right and then you know quotes gets spun 327 00:14:31,780 --> 00:14:30,470 different ways to look at like the you 328 00:14:35,410 --> 00:14:31,790 know don't trust everything on the 329 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:35,420 Internet Abraham Lincoln you know it's 330 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:38,930 like things headlines of articles like 331 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:40,370 you'd mentioned earlier Jason 332 00:14:46,570 --> 00:14:43,370 they get so sensationalized and and you 333 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:46,580 know quotes get out of context that you 334 00:14:51,579 --> 00:14:48,470 never you can never tell right from left 335 00:14:54,010 --> 00:14:51,589 up from down so again it's just it's 336 00:14:56,620 --> 00:14:54,020 hard it's hard yeah it just shows that 337 00:14:59,560 --> 00:14:56,630 anyone with with you know credentials 338 00:15:02,050 --> 00:14:59,570 they have to walk such a fine line you 339 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:02,060 know between their you know we look at 340 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:04,310 them for their credentials for you know 341 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:06,050 some kind of authority behind their 342 00:15:10,750 --> 00:15:08,810 viewpoint but on the other hand most of 343 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:10,760 time this is an opinion a personal 344 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:13,370 opinion and it's difficult to separate 345 00:15:18,370 --> 00:15:15,440 personal opinion from their credential 346 00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:18,380 you know persona and then you know and 347 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:20,150 they have to be extremely careful about 348 00:15:27,610 --> 00:15:22,910 it so yeah I think just like everything 349 00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:27,620 in ufology it's clear as mud I like that 350 00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:28,880 yeah 351 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:34,940 similar to Edgar Mitchell in that he was 352 00:15:38,830 --> 00:15:37,010 also an astronaut and military test 353 00:15:41,380 --> 00:15:38,840 pilot who publicly voiced his opinion 354 00:15:42,730 --> 00:15:41,390 about UFOs and extraterrestrials but 355 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:42,740 Cooper said he personally encountered 356 00:15:48,490 --> 00:15:46,910 UFOs that's a little different so Cooper 357 00:15:50,590 --> 00:15:48,500 was one of the seven original mercury 358 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:50,600 astronauts he piloted the first space 359 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:52,910 flight of NASA's Project Mercury during 360 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:54,680 which he became the first American to 361 00:16:01,060 --> 00:15:57,560 sleep in space but according to Cooper 362 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:01,070 his UFO sightings occurred on earth not 363 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:03,890 in space in 1996 364 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:06,410 Cooper told Yolanda Gaskins a reporter 365 00:16:11,650 --> 00:16:07,940 with the television show the paranormal 366 00:16:13,690 --> 00:16:11,660 borderline about a fleet of UFOs he and 367 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:13,700 other Air Force pilots observed over 368 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:17,210 Germany in 1951 he described that these 369 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:19,430 hundreds of metallic saucer shaped 370 00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:22,070 unidentified craft quote were flying 371 00:16:25,870 --> 00:16:24,470 quite high how high we couldn't tell 372 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:25,880 because we couldn't get anywhere near 373 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:28,610 their altitude but they were either very 374 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:31,970 large craft way up or smaller crap still 375 00:16:38,050 --> 00:16:34,930 well above what we could get to in quote 376 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:38,060 six years later while supervising test 377 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:40,130 flights at Edwards Air Force Base his 378 00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:42,830 military camera crew allegedly filmed a 379 00:16:48,850 --> 00:16:45,680 landing of a saucer shaped UFO 380 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:48,860 he told Gaskins that quote a saucer came 381 00:16:54,010 --> 00:16:51,320 flying over their heads put down three 382 00:16:56,530 --> 00:16:54,020 little landing gear and landed right out 383 00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,540 on the dry lake bed and quote he 384 00:17:00,520 --> 00:16:58,880 continued quote they picked up their 385 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:00,530 cameras and started over towards it 386 00:17:06,429 --> 00:17:03,770 filming as they went and when they got 387 00:17:08,740 --> 00:17:06,439 in fairly close to it it lifted up put 388 00:17:11,050 --> 00:17:08,750 the gear back in the wheel wells tipped 389 00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:11,060 up and took off at a great rate of speed 390 00:17:16,420 --> 00:17:14,120 and so they came into my office and told 391 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:16,430 me what had happened and I sent them 392 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:18,890 over to develop the film and they had to 393 00:17:22,929 --> 00:17:20,750 go through all the proper regulations of 394 00:17:25,090 --> 00:17:22,939 reporting this and we wound up having to 395 00:17:27,850 --> 00:17:25,100 send the film forward to Washington in 396 00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,860 the base jet airplane and I don't know 397 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:30,080 whether anyone's ever seen its sense in 398 00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:33,230 quote although Cooper didn't see the UFO 399 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:35,720 for himself or get a chance to watch the 400 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:38,690 filmed footage he claims that he did 401 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:41,150 hold up the developed film to the window 402 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:41,820 before ship 403 00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:44,370 off to Washington and that it did indeed 404 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:47,190 show close-up shots of a saucer-shaped 405 00:17:53,570 --> 00:17:50,670 craft Cooper was an advocate for 406 00:17:56,650 --> 00:17:53,580 seriously stunning UFOs he wrote a 407 00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:56,660 letter to the United Nations in 1978 408 00:18:01,670 --> 00:17:58,980 proposing at the establishment of a 409 00:18:04,460 --> 00:18:01,680 committee to explore UFOs from an quote 410 00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:04,470 unbiased neutral point of view in quote 411 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:07,920 he stated in this letter quote I believe 412 00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:10,530 that these extraterrestrial visitors and 413 00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:13,020 their crews are visiting this planet 414 00:18:18,290 --> 00:18:15,840 from other planets and are obviously a 415 00:18:22,580 --> 00:18:18,300 little more advanced than we are here on 416 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:22,590 earth in quote he continued quote I feel 417 00:18:27,050 --> 00:18:24,620 that we need to have a top-level 418 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:27,060 coordinated program to scientifically 419 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:29,850 collect and analyze data from all over 420 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:31,980 the earth concerning any type of 421 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:34,740 encounter and to determine how best to 422 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:37,410 interface with these visitors in a 423 00:18:45,230 --> 00:18:42,870 friendly fashion in quote so this guy's 424 00:18:49,550 --> 00:18:45,240 really put it out there I mean he was 425 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:49,560 hardcore pushing for for researching 426 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:51,450 UFOs and was a firm believer in 427 00:18:55,790 --> 00:18:53,610 extraterrestrial visitation yeah yeah 428 00:18:58,700 --> 00:18:55,800 pretty pretty not audacious but 429 00:19:01,310 --> 00:18:58,710 ambitious I would say claims to bring 430 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:01,320 forward again it I always go back to 431 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,660 like these guys know what reputation 432 00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:05,520 they're gonna leave behind you know and 433 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:09,000 when they come forward with these such 434 00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:11,970 ambitious claims I you got to think 435 00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:13,500 there's there's something to it like 436 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:17,100 they know more than the public is you 437 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:20,970 know is finding out so yeah it's another 438 00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:22,770 case just like Edgar Mitchell where I'm 439 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:25,980 like what what do you know like who have 440 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:28,530 you talked to like we I wish we could 441 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:32,760 find that out I really did yeah yeah I'm 442 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:34,290 Gordon Cooper his style of communication 443 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:38,850 he was so direct and matter-of-fact and 444 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:41,880 non sensationalistic in so many ways 445 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:43,890 it's hard not to really you know be 446 00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:46,530 captivated by not only what he's saying 447 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:48,120 but how he said it 448 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:50,700 and so I look at you know I've read his 449 00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:52,650 book and look look at his work and on TV 450 00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,990 and so forth and you know the guy is it 451 00:19:57,399 --> 00:19:55,440 you know 452 00:20:00,440 --> 00:19:57,409 great up legit fighter pilot and 453 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:00,450 astronaut and all those things so you 454 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:02,970 know I find his stuff very fascinating 455 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:03,450 actually 456 00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,360 yeah and I know Amy Shira Tito our 457 00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:09,120 mutual colleague space historian I 458 00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:10,740 remember her telling me that Gordon 459 00:20:17,980 --> 00:20:15,179 Cooper is the perfect astronaut the 460 00:20:20,749 --> 00:20:17,990 ideal astronaut you know clean-cut 461 00:20:23,629 --> 00:20:20,759 white-bread American guy going up into 462 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:23,639 space and just as direct as all hell so 463 00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:28,320 yeah boy scout boy scout 464 00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:32,159 boy scout - there you go well another 465 00:20:37,330 --> 00:20:34,169 astronaut who's commented about UFOs 466 00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:37,340 more recently and aliens as well is 467 00:20:44,049 --> 00:20:40,830 story Musgrave yeah a story Musgrave who 468 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:44,059 actually flew on six Shuttle missions 469 00:20:48,610 --> 00:20:47,370 believes extraterrestrial life is out 470 00:20:51,879 --> 00:20:48,620 there 471 00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:51,889 despite Edgar Mitchell's assertions that 472 00:20:58,369 --> 00:20:54,419 extraterrestrials are walk among us 473 00:21:00,259 --> 00:20:58,379 Musgrave doesn't share that belief as he 474 00:21:02,869 --> 00:21:00,269 explained to The Huffington Post quote 475 00:21:05,149 --> 00:21:02,879 some astronauts have been quoted as 476 00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,159 saying they think that they're here I 477 00:21:11,899 --> 00:21:08,159 have seen their evidence and for me it's 478 00:21:15,379 --> 00:21:11,909 not evidence but he continued I feel 479 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:15,389 that they're everywhere out there and 480 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,870 they're doing interstellar travel will 481 00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:21,600 think differently about ourselves once 482 00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:24,120 we accept that hmm it's a kind of 483 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:26,460 interesting position is what uh-huh yeah 484 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,860 for sure and it was cool that I don't 485 00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,480 remember I mean this was several years 486 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:33,600 ago now but MUFON even had story 487 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:35,850 Musgrave speak as the keynote speaker at 488 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:38,250 the MUFON international symposium so it 489 00:21:44,389 --> 00:21:41,100 was really cool to to hear story in 490 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:44,399 person speak about this stuff I think it 491 00:21:54,379 --> 00:21:48,960 was 2011 was nomads ago Wow yeah yeah we 492 00:21:59,869 --> 00:21:54,389 met him at the the after party yeah talk 493 00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,879 to him for a little bit but he's an 494 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:01,679 interesting guy but again you know he's 495 00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:04,289 he's I think it's it's good when you 496 00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:06,179 have these astronauts even if they don't 497 00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:07,920 believe UFOs are visiting 498 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,830 you know he's like the possibility of 499 00:22:16,670 --> 00:22:13,440 that life is out there is it's we got to 500 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:16,680 think almost 100% you know it's it's 501 00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:20,490 good stance to explore if you're closed 502 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:22,200 off I would say you're not the right 503 00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,570 person to be an astronaut going out to 504 00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:27,120 explore other worlds huh that's a good 505 00:22:30,050 --> 00:22:27,630 point 506 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:30,060 yeah if you're if you're not like able 507 00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:32,310 and willing to accept that there could 508 00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:33,870 be other life out there like why the 509 00:22:39,380 --> 00:22:35,880 hell are you exploring space or risking 510 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:39,390 your life yeah let's be honest yeah very 511 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:41,730 true and you know I think his position 512 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:42,930 is kind of like I was mentioning before 513 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:46,050 this is kind of that what you expect to 514 00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:49,290 hear because you know they they do have 515 00:22:53,660 --> 00:22:51,750 to be careful about it and you know it's 516 00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:53,670 the safe thing we're even seeing it with 517 00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:56,910 you know T TSA and just the whole state 518 00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,640 er you follow a gene now NASA and 519 00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,980 scientists are saying oh yeah you know 520 00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:04,320 we think life is out there and believe 521 00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:06,270 me 20 years ago no one would even say 522 00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:08,070 that right but then with the discovery 523 00:23:12,170 --> 00:23:10,380 of exoplanets and and then you know 524 00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:12,180 other things have progressed you know 525 00:23:16,790 --> 00:23:15,240 quantum mechanics you know they're 526 00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:16,800 they're more accepting of that 527 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:19,500 possibility and so at first it was baby 528 00:23:23,380 --> 00:23:21,720 steps hardly anyone would say well yeah 529 00:23:25,910 --> 00:23:23,390 we think there's life out there but now 530 00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:25,920 everybody says out oh yeah there's gotta 531 00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:28,140 be life out there but yet no one is 532 00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:31,080 still committed to you know saying that 533 00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,240 yeah it's been visiting us here so you 534 00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:35,280 know it's it's a safe position to take 535 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:37,260 in actually it's it's a correct one to 536 00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,270 take because we don't know yet we don't 537 00:23:44,540 --> 00:23:41,820 have proof so I think that's a wise 538 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:44,550 thing something cool about Dory 539 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:45,210 musgraves 540 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:47,850 statements and his stances though that's 541 00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:50,610 slightly different and beyond the the 542 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:52,980 token response there is that he believes 543 00:23:58,460 --> 00:23:56,310 that intelligent life is all over the 544 00:24:00,530 --> 00:23:58,470 place out there but doing interstellar 545 00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,540 travel that's you know taking you two 546 00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,360 step further and kind of cool yeah and I 547 00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:05,520 wonder why you know he doesn't use that 548 00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:08,460 the evidence of ed Mitchell and others 549 00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:11,400 and it doesn't do it for him he must 550 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:13,020 have something that makes him feel like 551 00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:15,210 they're traveling interstellar Lee so 552 00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:17,790 I'm really curious about that it is 553 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:19,470 maybe you should follow up with him 554 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:21,090 Shane yeah 555 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:22,890 - good one that's a good little thread 556 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:25,350 to pull hey I could be wrong but I'm 557 00:24:30,020 --> 00:24:27,570 pretty sure our mutual colleague Mike 558 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:30,030 Demonte has spoken to him personally on 559 00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:32,910 UFOs so I think he's more accessible 560 00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:35,700 than we think and just adjacent I think 561 00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:37,680 you're right like the fact that he's 562 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:39,000 bringing up the interstellar thing 563 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:42,090 that's that's huge that that means that 564 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:44,610 you know he thinks this could be 565 00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:47,850 possible maybe within our lifetime maybe 566 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:50,550 not but yeah I think that is a really 567 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:52,530 good lying to point out that he said 568 00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:54,810 because that that that opens up a whole 569 00:25:00,650 --> 00:24:58,620 new ballgame I would say in terms of you 570 00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,660 know then traveling here or US traveling 571 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:02,820 there so I think that's awesome that he 572 00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:05,640 said that specifically I do too 573 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:08,070 he's a cool guy yeah we should reach out 574 00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:09,510 to him know he loves talking about this 575 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:11,040 stuff to you and he speaks about it 576 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:14,730 intelligently so yeah who can story 577 00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:17,730 that's so cool yeah that's a story in 578 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:21,630 itself I like it yeah Scott Kelly is an 579 00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:24,570 astronaut who was in space very recently 580 00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:28,500 and in mid 2018 a former coworker 581 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,780 Alejandro Rojas had the opportunity to 582 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:33,000 ask astronaut scott kelly about ufos 583 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:36,690 kelly is someone who has spent a whole 584 00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:39,510 lot of time in space more than 520 days 585 00:25:45,290 --> 00:25:41,940 during four different missions which 586 00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:45,300 includes his 340 consecutive days on the 587 00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,430 International Space Station that's the 588 00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,740 longest any u.s. astronaut has spent in 589 00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,320 space on a single mission and when Rojas 590 00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,200 asked Kelly about UFOs he admitted that 591 00:26:01,040 --> 00:25:57,840 he's seen lots of strange stuff in space 592 00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,050 but strange things he occasionally saw 593 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,120 always turned out to be optical 594 00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,480 illusions Kelly says he believes life is 595 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:08,400 out there but he holds that 596 00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:11,640 stereotypical view that they whoever 597 00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:15,620 they are are too far away to get here 598 00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:19,380 but he responsibly added that he has no 599 00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:21,990 evidence to prove that aliens aren't 600 00:26:26,530 --> 00:26:25,350 visiting earth but he's 99.9 percent 601 00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:26,540 sure it's not happening 602 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:30,030 just a quick interesting side note Kelly 603 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:32,490 also shared that he saw weird things 604 00:26:36,790 --> 00:26:34,130 while he was flying 605 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:36,800 he Jets over the ocean of course Navy 606 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:38,690 pilots seeing strange aerial objects 607 00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:40,370 over the ocean has been a popular topic 608 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,900 of conversation in the past couple years 609 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,240 because of the highly publicized Navy 610 00:26:49,690 --> 00:26:47,600 UFO encounters from 2004 and 2015 that 611 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:49,700 recently came to light but again 612 00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:52,310 Kelly says what he saw always turned out 613 00:26:56,860 --> 00:26:54,950 to be optical illusions but it's 614 00:26:58,990 --> 00:26:56,870 interesting too I mean when you go back 615 00:27:01,060 --> 00:26:59,000 and look at you know several of the 616 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:01,070 people we've mentioned seems like Navy 617 00:27:07,090 --> 00:27:04,730 pilots is a common theme here yeah 618 00:27:08,890 --> 00:27:07,100 before I mean you know I always just 619 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,900 thought it was the Air Force that was 620 00:27:13,330 --> 00:27:11,360 involved right and you know and of 621 00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:13,340 course their position was pretty 622 00:27:19,540 --> 00:27:16,220 negative the whole time but to you know 623 00:27:22,030 --> 00:27:19,550 to see of late the revelation of all 624 00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:22,040 these naval pilots haven't having this 625 00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,990 encounters is you know kind of the 626 00:27:27,910 --> 00:27:25,760 dimension to it that I wasn't even aware 627 00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:27,920 of so I I think that's pretty cool in it 628 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:30,590 and and it's probably likely that other 629 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:33,250 branches of the military and other 630 00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,050 organizations other militaries have been 631 00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:38,240 having similar experiences then it's 632 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:40,430 probably much broader in scope than we 633 00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:42,530 even were aware of yeah that's right 634 00:27:47,170 --> 00:27:45,680 yeah and to correct myself Jason 635 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:47,180 actually Scott Kelly was the guy that 636 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:51,080 miked amante spoke to so I apologize but 637 00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:54,590 I think it's also interesting I was 638 00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,260 looking into a few things that Kelly 639 00:28:03,250 --> 00:27:58,640 responded to in terms of the Flat Earth 640 00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:03,260 theory he stated that I flew around the 641 00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:06,590 earth but not even like bringing that a 642 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:09,590 whole can of worms into this he said 643 00:28:16,510 --> 00:28:13,790 there's a lot of dangers in disregarding 644 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:16,520 scientific fact and they use this Flat 645 00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:18,800 Earth theory as like you know proof of 646 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,070 that and you know when you say these 647 00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:23,600 things and you don't actually believe 648 00:28:29,470 --> 00:28:27,080 them like it's just hurting us in terms 649 00:28:30,550 --> 00:28:29,480 of moving forward with a topic so in 650 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:30,560 terms of like UFOs 651 00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,810 you know if the science is leading us in 652 00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:35,360 a certain direction trust that even if 653 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:37,400 it's not up to your belief standards 654 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:40,010 like we gotta go where the science leads 655 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:42,230 us and it's clear that Scott Kelly knows 656 00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:43,670 a lot about 657 00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:46,070 about that so I I think it's pretty cool 658 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,590 that he's he's saying look put your 659 00:28:52,990 --> 00:28:50,960 personal beliefs aside and just go where 660 00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:53,000 the facts lead us and if he's talking 661 00:28:58,150 --> 00:28:55,190 about UFOs and still interested in it 662 00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,160 like that's a good sign it really is and 663 00:29:02,050 --> 00:29:00,320 Scott Kelly and NASA in general right I 664 00:29:04,060 --> 00:29:02,060 mean NASA gets a lot of hate from the 665 00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:04,070 UFO community because of course they get 666 00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:06,200 thrown under the bus as the scapegoats 667 00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,840 with all the conspiracy stuff that 668 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:11,120 they're hiding all of the answers about 669 00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:12,950 aliens and UFOs because there are space 670 00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:15,470 guys right but I mean we have so many 671 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:17,900 astronauts and just people from NASA who 672 00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:20,210 talk about this stuff all the time yeah 673 00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:22,670 NASA routinely comments about aliens 674 00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:25,910 because as you can imagine they're asked 675 00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:26,420 about it 676 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:31,160 all the time non-stop yeah I mean the 677 00:29:37,060 --> 00:29:33,770 parade there's one example that happened 678 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:37,070 in 2014 in July 679 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:39,170 scientists discussed extraterrestrial 680 00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:42,290 life on a televised event and it took 681 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:44,120 place at NASA headquarters in Washington 682 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:47,170 DC and featured leading researchers and 683 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:50,210 engineering experts who all discussed 684 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,290 the search for life beyond Earth so one 685 00:29:59,410 --> 00:29:56,960 in particular Charles Bolden was the 686 00:30:01,840 --> 00:29:59,420 NASA it's administrator at the time he 687 00:30:04,030 --> 00:30:01,850 even began the event by mentioning how 688 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:04,040 he and fellow former astronaut John 689 00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:06,890 Grunsfeld are often asked if they've 690 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:10,340 seen if they believe in life beyond 691 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:13,730 Earth and Bolden stated quote I can't 692 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:16,700 speak for John but well I may not have 693 00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:18,770 actually encountered extraterrestrials 694 00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:20,900 and I did not as a matter of fact 695 00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:23,900 although I looked all the time I have 696 00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:26,180 always been inquisitive so I was looking 697 00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:29,780 really hard he continued I would venture 698 00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:32,120 to say however that most of my 699 00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:34,220 colleagues here today as well as 700 00:30:38,530 --> 00:30:36,200 probably most of you in the audience are 701 00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:38,540 probably convinced that it is highly 702 00:30:43,210 --> 00:30:40,520 improbable that in the limitless 703 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:43,220 vastness of the universe that we humans 704 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:46,130 stand alone and again this is the same 705 00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:48,350 thing when we mentioned story Musgrave 706 00:30:54,550 --> 00:30:51,950 how you know all these scientific 707 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,560 officials are finally saying there's got 708 00:31:00,460 --> 00:30:57,200 to be life out there we'd be stupid not 709 00:31:02,769 --> 00:31:00,470 a bit naive to think that we are the 710 00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:02,779 only intelligent civilization out there 711 00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:05,750 and so having the NASA Administrator and 712 00:31:11,289 --> 00:31:08,750 all these people as you so spoke 713 00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:11,299 eloquently before you know that a lot of 714 00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:13,700 people in the UFO community have trouble 715 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:15,950 trusting NASA because of believing 716 00:31:20,409 --> 00:31:18,110 they're covering up all these things and 717 00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:20,419 hey maybe they are covering up some 718 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:24,769 stuff but don't distrust them because 719 00:31:29,649 --> 00:31:27,289 again we have to leave follow where the 720 00:31:31,539 --> 00:31:29,659 science is leading us and our scientists 721 00:31:35,409 --> 00:31:31,549 they're actually actively trying to go 722 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:35,419 find life currently so the amount of 723 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:37,490 money that's spent into these missions 724 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:40,130 trying to find life on other planets and 725 00:31:46,529 --> 00:31:43,970 explore you know whether there's life 726 00:31:50,289 --> 00:31:46,539 under ice crusts and in different 727 00:31:53,019 --> 00:31:50,299 atmospheres I mean why would we spend so 728 00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:53,029 much money invest so much time if we're 729 00:32:00,759 --> 00:31:57,679 not like trying to actively find life so 730 00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:00,769 yeah I'm saying keep a little faith in 731 00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:04,399 NASA please people right and look I love 732 00:32:09,879 --> 00:32:07,940 I love that that press conference and 733 00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:09,889 Charles Bolden making those statements 734 00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:11,720 yeah of course we're all pretty 735 00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:13,820 accustomed to that safe token response 736 00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:17,600 by now but the way he dressed it it's a 737 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:18,679 valid response 738 00:32:25,659 --> 00:32:22,130 it's an honest response and at the very 739 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:25,669 least it isn't dismissive of the topic 740 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:28,850 nor does it poke fun at the topic and I 741 00:32:32,529 --> 00:32:30,289 think that's really important right 742 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,539 right and look at the evolution of that 743 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:35,360 you know sort of stock response is it's 744 00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:37,510 just gotten more and more positive and 745 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:40,399 expanded and less ridicule involved with 746 00:32:45,310 --> 00:32:42,169 it throughout the years I think that's 747 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:45,320 great to even I would say just in the 748 00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:50,690 last 15 years I remember when you know I 749 00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,700 first started heavily getting involved 750 00:32:58,450 --> 00:32:54,559 in this it was it was so much more taboo 751 00:33:00,519 --> 00:32:58,460 even then compared to the evolution of 752 00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:00,529 what's happened and people are feeling 753 00:33:05,139 --> 00:33:03,590 safer to speak out about things and if 754 00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:05,149 you're an astronaut you're gonna see 755 00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,980 something strange for sure because we 756 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:08,960 don't know what's out there you want you 757 00:33:13,330 --> 00:33:09,890 know 758 00:33:14,830 --> 00:33:13,340 so it's interesting time to Livan and 759 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:14,840 you mentioned at the beginning Maureen I 760 00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:17,450 mean just that the Pete the astronauts 761 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:19,040 we've had the the opportunity to speak 762 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:21,410 with and the the people who work at NASA 763 00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,450 who we've had the opportunity to speak 764 00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:25,760 with there's just so many people there I 765 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:27,740 mean that's and I think you mentioned it 766 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:29,330 to Ryan that's why a lot of people at 767 00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:32,210 NASA get into the field they're in right 768 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:34,160 they are believers themselves they 769 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:37,370 actively want to find civilizations out 770 00:33:40,419 --> 00:33:39,110 there you know they grew up on Star Wars 771 00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:40,429 and Star Trek and that's their 772 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:42,140 inspiration to try to get out into space 773 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:44,030 and find the life that they truly 774 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:46,070 believe is out there and the people 775 00:33:50,410 --> 00:33:47,450 we've spoken with over the years who 776 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:50,420 work at NASA and are actively working on 777 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:51,890 these missions that are going to other 778 00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:55,010 worlds to find life they are you know 779 00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:57,350 extremely hopeful and you know 780 00:34:01,390 --> 00:33:59,090 passionate about what they're doing they 781 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:01,400 want to find alien life that's why they 782 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:03,950 do what they do right and the fact that 783 00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:06,650 you know just the handful we mentioned 784 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:08,840 today there's probably many more and the 785 00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:12,250 fact that just that many astronauts are 786 00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,600 interested in the UFO topic have seen 787 00:34:20,619 --> 00:34:17,359 something or no more than the public 788 00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:20,629 knows that's exciting the fact that just 789 00:34:26,050 --> 00:34:23,840 that amount of people we've spent we've 790 00:34:27,790 --> 00:34:26,060 said into space or other countries have 791 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:27,800 and they're coming back saying these 792 00:34:33,609 --> 00:34:31,540 sort of profound things that's awesome 793 00:34:35,619 --> 00:34:33,619 yeah you know and I like to listen to 794 00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,629 you like I said I like to listen to what 795 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:37,520 people who have been in space have to 796 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:39,290 say because I don't know about you guys 797 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:41,810 I haven't been in space so they've seen 798 00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:44,270 things that I haven't and I feel they 799 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:45,740 can talk about it better than I can 800 00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:47,720 good point yeah good point yeah 801 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:49,400 absolutely 802 00:35:00,460 --> 00:34:58,470 [Music] 803 00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,470 will citizens that's gonna do it for 804 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:02,480 this episode you can find more episodes 805 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:04,370 of unknown on all the major platforms 806 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:06,650 including Apple podcasts stitcher Google 807 00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:08,810 Play Pandora iHeartRadio and YouTube 808 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:10,520 subscribe on your favorite podcast 809 00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:12,080 platform so you notified when we publish 810 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:14,180 new episodes you can always find the 811 00:35:17,830 --> 00:35:15,890 show at rogue planet TV because unknown 812 00:35:19,930 --> 00:35:17,840 is a rogue planet production and rogue 813 00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:19,940 planet TV is your home for all the 814 00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:25,280 strange big thanks to our talented 815 00:35:27,910 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